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Post by Vivi on Feb 14, 2015 16:41:59 GMT -5
A 3rd town has actually been tried out in private servers and it has never really worked. Even big MMOs normally only have two main factions. I personally think it's unnecessary for this game. It's a fun concept but it would probably bring even bigger town imbalances then what we already have.
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Zero
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Post by Zero on Feb 17, 2015 16:56:30 GMT -5
I'm at quite a loss of words here. I was pointed to this news and had to see it to believe it. How will iEnt create a new game when the forums are hosted on a free service, especially one that is multi-platform as stated? Who would actually be developing this game? iEnt? Contractors? Since it says new engine, is that new engine going to be 2d or 3d? If 3d, how do you propose to capture what people play HB for in a 3d space? (hint: it's not easily doable and largely impractical) What will be the method used to develop it? Piggybacking off something like UDK, Unity, XNA? For a game that no longer generates enough income to pay employees properly, where will the funding come from to develop this? Is iEnt taking a huge investment risk in this or will it be expected of the community to crowdfund this like the source purchase before?
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Post by acidx on Feb 17, 2015 17:09:39 GMT -5
I don't entirely believe any of this as a developer myself. Looks like a ruse to regain lost money that was flopped down on the table for usa. the free forums kindly tips that off, that this is in no way professional. considering you people outsourced many private server developers to do work on public released files. Those files wasn't even the official sources, Also i'm curious as well.. considering IENT can't program. And you have made that blatantly obvious as i said before you hired many private server developers. And also how do you even have rights to use any content from helbreath considering those rights belong to siementech? I don't think you can buy a code monkey from the penny store now days... Aside from all of that, i'm curious as to what the server architect would be like. as in what sort of potato will this beast of a sequel be hosted on an Idaho red or a California red. Because i mean come on, web hosting is pretty cheap now days, i guess we gotta get a cheap server box too.
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Post by TehG00SE on Feb 17, 2015 17:47:07 GMT -5
Hail, I must say, it took longer than I expected to reach this corner of the community, but I am glad it did! First, let me make something clear. I believe (and I must admit not everyone agrees with me here) we share a common love for this game. We all want the same thing in one way or another, even if its at the most very basic existence of that "thing". Thank you for your post. I also believe there is a number of people in the Helbreath community (Note: I refer to all of us as the Helbreath community, legit and private sector alike) have so much built up anger and aggression for iEntertainment, and USA itself, that they will never believe anything we say, and spit in our face if they could. I do not wish to debate who does it best, and who wronged who. I cannot control the past, if you know how I can, please let me know =) That being said, I will answer these post to the best of my ability: *Will edit as I go* I'm at quite a loss of words here. I was pointed to this news and had to see it to believe it. How will iEnt create a new game when the forums are hosted on a free service, especially one that is multi-platform as stated? Who would actually be developing this game? iEnt? Contractors? Since it says new engine, is that new engine going to be 2d or 3d? If 3d, how do you propose to capture what people play HB for in a 3d space? (hint: it's not easily doable and largely impractical) What will be the method used to develop it? Piggybacking off something like UDK, Unity, XNA? For a game that no longer generates enough income to pay employees properly, where will the funding come from to develop this? Is iEnt taking a huge investment risk in this or will it be expected of the community to crowdfund this like the source purchase before? Again, Zero Welcome, Fair enough, - The forums are hosted on a free service, however we do have a new domain set aside, if anything you can blame me for this. I pushed quite hard to get the community involved in this project long before we even had a name for the project, so Obviously this was the quickest way. It is not at all the permanent but I don't believe throwing 20 bucks at Freeforums to remove "freeforums" from the web address is that detrimental to our common goal, however, I do recognize it is one of the many small things that will be used as ammo against us. Its a solid point, and we have moved enough forward that we may be able to look into launching the new domain, Ill look into this in the next few days and see where we stand. All and all, I wanted to get the community involved, I would not be here if I didn't have faith in this community. - Multi-Platform is a possibility we would like to look at, not a all in decision that will make or break the project. - The Development of the game will not be done by anyone you see on forums.. I can't say much more than that for now. - We do not wish to mess much with the Isometric game play aspects of the game itself, just improve upon them in ways the new engines allow. (More on this soon) - Well we are not exactly developing our own, so I will have to go with the "usage of available engines" option. - As announced, we will be relying on crowdfunding mixed with of iEnt investment. We will be reaching far past the current player base, but I would by all means expect the constructive criticism coming, as it is needed, and has been for a long time. Thank you for your post! I am sure there will be others. I don't entirely believe any of this as a developer myself. Looks like a ruse to regain lost money that was flopped down on the table for usa. the free forums kindly tips that off, that this is in no way professional. considering you people outsourced many private server developers to do work on public released files. Those files wasn't even the official sources, Also i'm curious as well.. considering IENT can't program. And you have made that blatantly obvious as i said before you hired many private server developers. And also how do you even have rights to use any content from helbreath considering those rights belong to siementech? I don't think you can buy a code monkey from the penny store now days... Aside from all of that, i'm curious as to what the server architect would be like. as in what sort of potato will this beast of a sequel be hosted on an Idaho red or a California red. Because i mean come on, web hosting is pretty cheap now days, i guess we gotta get a cheap server box too. Hail Acid, Another recognizable name, welcome. Again, fair enough. I cannot make you believe us, all I can do is answer your questions, so that's what I plan on doing. - That's a bit unfair, not much money has been flopped, and the game isn't really considered a loss by iEnt, though I do admit I can see how previous administration would of left that impression. From my experience, the private sector is usually the folks looking to look for money...and I am sure you know the ones I am referring too. (Though, that's unfair too, as I stated above, I think in the long run, we are all in this for the same reasons). I am not saying everything, and every approach made has been the right one, I am saying that we are trying to make up for that now. Obviously there's people that will mean nothing towards, and that's fine, they are entitled and have earned that. That being said, Any money we make on this project, win or lose will go into this game, if we cant meet our goals, we will push for ways to fix the current game to the best of our abilities, as pointed out by Zero, it doesn't cost much to run the server if you have a staff willing to do it; and we have that.. if we had dollar signs in our eyes, I don't think this is where we would be. - I pointed out the freeforum reasoning previously - As I said before, I cant say every decision has been the right one, if half of the hired "private server" developers we hired on respected the position, and the community, likely none of this would even need to be discussed, but the cards weren't dealt that way. We cant change that now. Obviously we are reaching far past that risk now, though we have opened the doors to others, I do not believe we could do anything risk free, and favorable or even supported by everyone. - I don't think siem owns the rights to much anymore, I couldn't tell you for sure. Post could be a bit misleading, but Helbreath is a fairly unique game in its entirety, and thats what we are aiming for, if Helbreath was a Genre, we want our game to be in it. I am not saying the towns will be Aresden and Elvine, or if there will end up being 3 towns in the end, or just one and a bunch of disgruntled people that live in caves. Its easier to involve the community in development of what they know, than looking to make up new names for everything and saying "Halp". The games will be similar, because Helbreath is a great game (Like I said, think of it as its on Genre), but in the honor of moving forward we plan on making changes to the game also, to hopefully accent on that experience in most areas, and all all new experience to others. - I agree, code monkeys are way overpriced these days. - I honestly lack the knowledge of potatoes to make this comparison. I will say, I highly doubt we will be shopping for servers at the produce stand.
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Zero
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Post by Zero on Feb 17, 2015 18:23:04 GMT -5
Hail, Again, Zero Welcome, Fair enough, - The forums are hosted on a free service, however we do have a new domain set aside, if anything you can blame me for this. I pushed quite hard to get the community involved in this project long before we even had a name for the project, so Obviously this was the quickest way. It is not at all the permanent but I don't believe throwing 20 bucks at Freeforums to remove "freeforums" from the web address is that detrimental to our common goal, however, I do recognize it is one of the many small things that will be used as ammo against us. Its a solid point, and we have moved enough forward that we may be able to look into launching the new domain, Ill look into this in the next few days and see where we stand. All and all, I wanted to get the community involved, I would not be here if I didn't have faith in this community. - Multi-Platform is a possibility we would like to look at, not a all in decision that will make or break the project. - The Development of the game will not be done by anyone you see on forums.. I can't say much more than that for now. - We do not wish to mess much with the Isometric game play aspects of the game itself, just improve upon them in ways the new engines allow. (More on this soon) - Well we are not exactly developing our own, so I will have to go with the "usage of available engines" option. - As announced, we will be relying on crowdfunding mixed with of iEnt investment. We will be reaching far past the current player base, but I would by all means expect the constructive criticism coming, as it is needed, and has been for a long time. Hope you don't take my criticisms too negatively, but it's hard to take this project seriously when a few glaringly huge red flags are waved around. Web hosting is minimal at best and presentation means everything. Being hosted on a free forum solution definitely doesn't break everything, but it definitely causes many to not take it nearly as seriously as you may want. For some advice, Hostgator is even having a sale right now: I don't know if you understand what multi-platform entails. While something like that should be considered early, it also adds a new set of challenges that can make or break deadlines. I am interested in who iEnt plans to have develop this new game. So this new game will be 2D and pretty similar to HB? What is defined as a new "engine" to you? Swapping from the raw ddraw functionality into raw ogl? What's on this list of 'available engines'?
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Post by Zero on Feb 17, 2015 18:47:10 GMT -5
- As I said before, I cant say every decision has been the right one, if half of the hired "private server" developers we hired on respected the position, and the community, likely none of this would even need to be discussed, but the cards weren't dealt that way. We cant change that now. Obviously we are reaching far past that risk now, though we have opened the doors to others, I do not believe we could do anything risk free, and favorable or even supported by everyone. I don't think this is fair. I think I was approached twice by iEnt to do work for HBUsa, and the first time my price was refused, and the second time it was countered with a $500 tag to rewrite the entire game. $500. Thus I declined. Since then, I made an offer to help and was denied to help -for FREE-. I don't think iEnt put their all into trying to save what was left of HBUsa. Probably what the funny part was, iEnt declined my offer of $2000 for the rewrite, then turned around and paid $2000 for the sources from crowdfunding. It was 2k right? I forget. But I guess OpenHelbreath was more enticing than a real rewrite. I did this in about 1 weeks time December 2013. i.imgur.com/OFDKpkx.png I am still available if iEnt wants to take HB seriously. And yes, that is the HB client running with a different rendering engine capable of dynamic resolutions including windowed mode on win7/8/10.
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Post by TehG00SE on Feb 17, 2015 18:48:18 GMT -5
You guys are doing good with being skeptics and not spitting venom, so its fine (Like I said, some negative has been earned...however I would like to look back as a learning process, not to hinder). Like I said, I don't expect to win everyone over. Having your interest or even curiosity is enough for me. - I agree, in many ways "Presentation" is everything. Once I first got the call on this, and asked around a bit, I found many many friends to this game very disgruntled, and lost to what was even happening with the game. From the beginning, our goal was to pull the community back together, get people involved. Stretching ourselves small isn't ideal right now, so where as we have the domain purchased, we are working on other areas right now. That being said, Ill look into our progress on things and see where we stand to see if we can pretty things up a bit. At the very least, its not bottom of the list after we launch our next few updates it will skyrocket in priority rather quickly, best way I can think to look at it is that we involved the community sooner than we should have, though again, this was something we wanted to do. - You would be 100000% correct in that I have no idea what it entails and I wont pretend I do... fairly sure you guys would call me out on it regardless , I do know its possible with the engine we are using and making a game like this work is what would need to be considered. What I was more referring too, was if it became a do or don't funding issue, it wouldn't stop the process. - You seem to have broken into a weird foreign language. We wish to keep the Isometric view of Helbreath, if that ends up paper doll cut outs, or "Diablo" style visuals I cannot say yet. I mean we do not have a special engine we have designed ourselves or anything to that extent...I'm not saying piggybacking no matter how much you try! I am not going to be able to wow you with technical aspects (yet) until I have a script written that I don't understand and permission announce.. sadly all I can give you is the cliche "standby". - As I said before, I cant say every decision has been the right one, if half of the hired "private server" developers we hired on respected the position, and the community, likely none of this would even need to be discussed, but the cards weren't dealt that way. We cant change that now. Obviously we are reaching far past that risk now, though we have opened the doors to others, I do not believe we could do anything risk free, and favorable or even supported by everyone. I don't think this is fair. I think I was approached twice by iEnt to do work for HBUsa, and the first time my price was refused, and the second time it was countered with a $500 tag to rewrite the entire game. $500. Thus I declined. Since then, I made an offer to help and was denied to help -for FREE-. I don't think iEnt put their all into trying to save what was left of HBUsa. Probably what the funny part was, iEnt declined my offer of $2000 for the rewrite, then turned around and paid $2000 for the sources from crowdfunding. It was 2k right? I forget. But I guess OpenHelbreath was more enticing than a real rewrite. I did this in about 1 weeks time December 2013. i.imgur.com/OFDKpkx.png I am still available if iEnt wants to take HB seriously. And yes, that is the HB client running with a different rendering engine capable of dynamic resolutions including windowed mode on win7/8/10. I said half, not all! Honestly I never got to hear much of the good, the community really only ever focuses the bad....however to be fair, as you very well know, the same way people label all of the wrong done as iEnt, the same blanket labels go on Private server coders/developers the same way. I wasn't involved much back then, so I cant speak into specifics, but I will say I can understand the distrust from both sides. As I said, hindsight is 20/20 and the last situation was just that. If Tam was still in charge I am sure she likely would of approached you (you mentioned she was the only one you had contact with), rather than the deal that was made with her successor. Its hard to determine who has pure goals, and both sides have been tainted by unfair and fair opinions and actions. If you want to PM me with contact information, or even a resume (If you don't feel comfortable with using me you can PM one of the other administrators). At some point we will be needing technical minded staff that understands the jibberish you just said, and I will make your offer known to the rest of the team.
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Zero
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Post by Zero on Feb 17, 2015 19:21:21 GMT -5
As I said, hindsight is 20/20 and the last situation was just that. If Tam was still in charge I am sure she likely would of approached you (you mentioned she was the only one you had contact with), rather than the deal that was made with her successor. Fill me in! (though you probably can't) I love the Helbreath drama even though I haven't played it in like 9-10 years.
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Post by TehG00SE on Feb 17, 2015 19:44:26 GMT -5
Reyes and I are fairly adamant about keeping THAT (Drama) out. ><
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Post by Zero on Feb 17, 2015 19:59:48 GMT -5
Reyes and I are fairly adamant about keeping THAT (Drama) out. >< Now I REALLY want to know.
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Post by mav on Feb 18, 2015 6:51:40 GMT -5
Demo?
May I ask if there was pre warning to the shutting down of the old servers? As I didn't see anything, few of us put lots of time and money in to the shop ect to just get switched off (Not a gripe just asking)
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Post by TehG00SE on Feb 18, 2015 10:38:49 GMT -5
Reyes and I are fairly adamant about keeping THAT (Drama) out. >< Now I REALLY want to know. ----> Demo? May I ask if there was pre warning to the shutting down of the old servers? As I didn't see anything, few of us put lots of time and money in to the shop ect to just get switched off (Not a gripe just asking) I believe the server brought itself down before we could formally announce or decide anything (fatal error of sorts), and we decided not to continue the struggle to keep it up. However, the few weeks before didn't seem to have much of anyone on.
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Post by Zero on Feb 18, 2015 11:31:41 GMT -5
Now I REALLY want to know. ----> Demo? May I ask if there was pre warning to the shutting down of the old servers? As I didn't see anything, few of us put lots of time and money in to the shop ect to just get switched off (Not a gripe just asking) I believe the server brought itself down before we could formally announce or decide anything (fatal error of sorts), and we decided not to continue the struggle to keep it up. However, the few weeks before didn't seem to have much of anyone on. Let the powers that be know that I'd be willing to take a peek at it in about a week (about to move out of state atm) and will take a quick run through of the major problems and see what I can do. That'd be my only free offering for the time being though. That is, if there is any desire to put the server back up.
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Post by TehG00SE on Feb 18, 2015 13:26:27 GMT -5
Will do sir.
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Post by wiliam on Feb 18, 2015 16:00:38 GMT -5
This is fantastic news, I will definitely be following the forums hence forth. With regards to development suggestions, is there any way to get on the old forums. I made quite a few suggestions on the development of HB. Looking forward to what you will come up with.
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